“The time has come to stop the Alex Jones 1776 Jew Talk.” –Rodney Martin
In the comments section of my recent piece exposing Anarcho-Capitalism as yet another Jewish scam, a commenter called “Larix” spammed up the place. Though some of it is bizarre, and seems to indicate he is unclear about his own political doctrine, attempting to combine nationalist sentiment with the fundamentally internationalist Jewish doctrine of Anarcho-Capitalism/Libertarianism, I will go ahead and go through it, as he indeed makes some points that will continue to come up if they are not addressed and fully dismissed.
As part of the argument of this confused commenter is that racialism and the establishment of a racial state are somehow compatible with the Jew doctrine of Austrian School Libertarianism, let’s first take a second to look at a few quotes from the father of the Austrian School, Ludwig von Mises:
Nation and race do not coincide; there is no nation of pure blood. All peoples have arisen from a mixture of races.
--Ludwig von Mises, Nation, State, and Economy, page 10
The fundamental discrepancies in worldview and patterns of behavior do not correspond to differences in race, nationality or class affiliation.
–Ludwig von Mises, Human Action, page 87
It is neither natural nor necessary that the members of the same race or the inhabitants of the same country cooperate with one another more closely than with members of other races or inhabitants of other countries. The ideas of race solidarity and racial hatred are no less ideas than any other ideas, and only where they are accepted by the individuals do they result in corresponding action.
–Ludwig von Mises, The Ultimate Foundation of Economic Science, page 81
So, we can see from the outset that even if we do decide that the only way we are going to establish an independent White nation is by following some or other Jew economic theorist, these particular Jews, even at first glace, probably do not have the ideology that we are looking for.
Now, on to the refutation.
His words are in bold.
Hey I like your passion and all, but you’re simply wrong and lack a non-superficial understanding of free-market economics and American history. The problem is not solely one of government or one of capital. It’s the combination of both in excess which make us miserable.
The problem is surely one of capital and government, though this is a result of the plain reality that government dictates only policy which is designed to promote the private interests of capital.
The reason why capital has so much influence is due to the foundation of central banking (backed by the force of govt) for the last 100 years in the US, and most of the world since then. This allows dark forces to control EVERYTHING including media, academia, politicians, banking, et al.
The issue isn’t some vague “central banking,” it is international Jewish banking. There is nothing wrong with a central bank, if it is administered by a gentile government seeking autarky; in fact, a central bank is a must for any planned economy, and a planned economy is the only just economy.
Do you really think we have been living in an unrestrained environment in the last few decades? C’mon, everything has been regulated to the hilt to produce this kind of diabolical result. These massive imbalances could not be sustained in a true free market, where choice, competition and innovation will always prevail over giganticism and force.
As it was the existing forces of high finance that pushed for the establishment of a Jewish bank, and then sustained it after it was created, the point is moot. You appear to be implying that the American system was somehow fair and humane before the establishment of the Federal Reserve, which is objectively false. The history of pre-WWI America is a history of brutal oppression of the working classes by a ruling financial elite.
The only place where this was not the case was in the agrarian sector, where people grew their own food and participated in the extremely localized economies – the apprenticeship system, which was made obsolete by the Industrial Revolution, was also a huge part of these local economies. Local economies, however, were only possible in an age before mass transportation and mass production became so efficient. Once large-scale movement of of cheaply produced goods became possible through the technology which emerged from the industrial revolution, local economies died forever, because there was no attempt to set up regulations to prohibit the corporate vulturism which absolutely crushed this old system. The reason that such regulations were not put in place was the laissez-faire principles which were continually reenforced by the state, due to our parliamentary system which allows such massive levels of influence-peddling.
When a strong central government exists, it is an irresistible target for bad people, who exist in spades even in our white race. The existence of so many shabbaz goy demonstrates that. Thus it is only a matter of time before this supposedly strong and pure government is corrupted, acquired, and redirected for dangerous and evil purposes for the benefit of very few elite. That is what happened in the US when the people stopped diligently guarding and monitoring the supposed limited government after many decades of peace and rising prosperity.
Yes, I have listened to the Alex Jones show before. But this is simply wrong. It was not the centralization of our government which allowed for this situation to emerge, it was, as I have said, the industrial revolution which changed every single aspect of the economic order. Centralization happened because it was possible, and because our system of democracy allows absolutely unlimited corruption, and has no mechanism through which to place responsibility on individuals.
The rising prosperity was due to the localized economies I have already mentioned, and it was not nearly as great as it is made out to be. Throughout your posts, you actually seem to be denying the relevance of the Industrial Revolution, as you are not mentioning it, and instead blaming changes on abstractions. This makes all of what you are saying seem ridiculous, as we will see.
As far as there having been “peace,” that is a completely idiotic and untrue statement.
Capital has no power if it not married to the guns of the govt. I don’t remember being forced to report my income to General Electric, forced to show my passport at McDonald’s, or threatened by a Coca-cola drone. I have no love for these corporate monstrosities, and I know they can only exist in a big-govt NON-COMPETITIVE environment. But none of them force me to buy a product or service. But I AM forced to subscribe to the US govt where the price keeps going up and the quality keeps going down.
You are just repeating abstract gibberish that is purposefully designed by Jews to cause confusion. Mega-corporations are successful in the free market because they are able to provide products at a cheaper rate because of their size. People go to McDonald’s, rather than a locally owned diner, because standardization and mass production allow them to charge a third of the price a local shop would charge for similar food.
This is not complicated. It isn’t a mystery. It is just a simple, obvious fact.
You might do well to read the story of how Ray Kroc made McDonald’s into what it is, simply using the mechanisms of the free market. It is a rather instructive example of the way this works. The only thing the government did for him was refuse to fulfill their natural duty and restrict him from doing what he did. McDonald’s took over the market because this is what happens in post-industrial capitalism.
The other issue of capital dictating government policy is huge, and allows them to conquer and centralize everything at a more rapid pace, but they are really only ensuring regulations serve them, and they are doing so because they have all the resources, and thus the capacity to do so.
If you do not have rules, people will do whatever they are capable of doing.
America was founded on principles of limited government and COMMERCE. What is wrong with that? What was wrong with American values and culture until the 20th century, when at long last capital and government combined to inflict misery on the world?
Today’s world is characterized by STATE CAPITALISM, and it could not exist without massive government power behind the money supply, rigged markets, rigged trade regulations, etc. This is not commerce or free-market capitalism.
You are again assuming so much, without actually addressing any real issues. The industrial revolution was not relevant, and the only thing that mattered was central banking and the emergence of “big government”? If it wasn’t for these two issues, we would still all be living like the Amish? How can changes in the economic order be separated from the biggest changes that the human species has ever undergone? How on earth can we talk about these things in a vacuum?
Oh, wait. I know how. We simply parrot circular arguments formulated by Jews.
You simply must not group Mises/Rothbard and Friedman together unless you want to demonstrate your ignorance of free-market economics. Friedman was a statist to the core, he is just offered as a kosher alternative to the ultra-statist Keynes.
There is extremely little overlap between Friedman and the Austrian school. Stop conflating them.
Well, I know one thing these three men have in common. But apparently that doesn’t matter, the Jews who you are emotionally attached to are “good Jews.” Though I think most readers of this site are astute enough to look at the Austrian School and see that nearly every single person involved is a Jew, and then use basic logic to see how what they are promoting only benefits their tribe, as you seem to be incapable of this, we’ll just go with the assumption that all of these men are really “good Jews” who just want to help mankind by pushing international stateless free market capitalism.
The difference between Friedman the elder and the Austrian Jews is only anything more than superficial if you believe in the Jew hoax of Libertarianism. As I don’t believe in it, the distinction you are making means absolutely nothing to me, given that both parties have the same agenda of removing the state from the economic order for the purpose of forwarding unrestricted Jew capitalism. In real terms, they have the same goal every Jew has – using whatever they can come up with to subvert, destabilize and suck dry their host societies.
But returning to your “not all Jews are bad” fantasy reality: Friedman took a more pragmatic approach, advocating something that was more possible, while your Hebrew hero Rothbard pushed idealism as a way to inject a portion of his ideas into the mainstream. Obviously in real life, the government isn’t simply going to stop existing. Both have an identical ideology, simply take different approaches toward realizing their goals.
Worth nothing, for people who aren’t totally brainwashed, is that both Friedman’s son and grandson are of the purist Rothbardian school.
As far as liberal social policy, austro-libertarians value quality and productivity so there is usually no tolerance for most of today’s filth, which could be cleaned up quickly in non-forceful ways:
1. end central banking and thus monopoly control of the media’s message (“it’s great to be a tatooted freak/slut”) and heavily-funded feminist/marxist indoctrination in the schools
How would ending central banking end monopoly control of the media’s message? Seriously, how and why would that happen? This is simply magical thinking, inserted into your vulnerable brain by this Jew gibberish you hold as holy scripture. Presently, media is a monopoly not because of some obscure and vague “government regulations,” but because of the natural workings of the capitalist system, which constantly push for efficiency in profitability, and thus centralization. The only way you would decentralize media would be by using the state to break up monopolies which already exist, or forcing large media companies to give representation to minority ideas and values.
The other obvious problem is that sex does sell. People like to buy it. When you have no restrictions on anything, of course all society degrades to the lowest common denominator. In tribal societies, sex was regulated by a dowry system, where if you cheat on or otherwise decided to leave your spouse, it cost you money. People simply cannot live without rules, it is against basic nature, and only a child, idiot or Jew would think otherwise.
The government needs to heavily regulate the entertainment media, forcing it to support certain moral standards, or everything goes gross. The liberal push by your Jew heroes to deregulate obscenity in this country under the banner of this new religious value of “individual freedom” has been a vicious tragedy.
Again, it is simply incredible that these things are not obvious to you, and this is yet more proof of what a Jew is capable of doing to you once you surrender to him control of your thoughts.
The schools would still be lobbied by private interests to indoctrinate children in a certain way in your free market paradise, so I don’t see the relevance of that point. Of course your argument would be that “people would have a choice,” but this is based on a complete fallacy about human nature – this idea that every individual in society is capable of assessing complex situations and drawing logical determinations is a creation of the Jew doctrine of individualism.
2. dismantle the notoriously inefficient and corrupt federal and state govts and their associated tax burdens, and increase local autonomy
Yes, and replace everything with Wal-Mart and McDonald’s style private industry. Oh no, I forgot, it will all be independent small businesses that run everything, because they are way more efficient than scientifically standardized corporate systems backed up by full automation in centralized production facilities for some reason! It makes total sense!
3. …which leads to a return to fair work and commerce, healthy local economies, and a revitalization of now-dead communities
Yes, a return to the fair work we had during the height of the true Jew free market – the Industrial Revolution, when people in the cities lived to be about 25, working themselves to death to avoid starvation. Oh but you must mean the real, pre-industrial America. And of course we can go straight back to that, we simply have to all move back to farms, blow up our cars, disconnect our electricity and burn any bridges that would allow multinationals to bring in cheap goods from China on semi-trucks.
All you are doing is repeating ridiculous nonsense someone told you, you have not thought any of this through logically. I am doing it for you now. Some day, you might thank me.
4. ….which leads to improved morals and family life and well-adjusted children
Yes. Just like magic.
5. and social shaming and ostracization need to come back in a big way (“oh you have four kids by three men and you are fat and lazy, you’re not welcome in my home”)
I guess that last one is just a general statement you aren’t attempting to link that back to your religious adherence to Jew free market capitalism.
We need DECENTRALIZATION!
Repeat that 10x so you don’t forget it. Local rule will take care of the bigness problem. And your fascism solution certainly has a bigness problem.
Modern civilization has a bigness problem, period. Though it might ultimately be the best option for us all to return to an historical age, before factories, televisions, cars, airplanes, computers, cellphones and the internet, this simply is not a pragmatic option, and we must thus figure out a way to deal with where we are. And we certainly are not going to do that by following a Jew doctrine that outright refuses – as you have here, in reciting this Jew doctrine – to acknowledge that the Industrial Revolution caused fundamental changes within the entirety of human organizational constructs.
The type of localization you are talking about would require a massive centralized control mechanism to bring it about forcefully through regulation. The free market does not, in any way, lead to localization – this idea is such pure idiocy that I am absolutely shocked that I am having to type these words right now.
Again, this is what a Jew is capable of doing to your mind. Let all those reading this take note.
I totally agree with you on this: Race First. Honest work, trade, and self-discipline are the natural traits of whites, not so much others, and these qualities are what creates prosperous, safe, harmonious, and clean communities. If short-term fascistic solutions a la NSDAP are what it takes to install emergency reform measures in order get to that condition, I’m down with that. But, upon stability, then these programs need to be phased out rather quickly. Americans are too independent-minded to trust and accept fascism and besides the American nation, counting only those of European heritage, is far too large, culturally distinct, and geographically distant to have a single common government. I think 5-10 regional ethnostates would work. You can have your fascistic one, maybe that will work on the eastern seaboard. I’ll take my decentralized, commerce-based one on the model of traditional Switzerland.
I don’t really understand much of what you are talking about here, there is no such thing as an “independent-minded” people. The fact that the majority of people in this country support Democrats or Republicans is alone representative of a complete lack of “independent-minded” thinking. Human beings are intrinsically, biologically collectivist in orientation. It is a fundamental part of our basic nature.
In summary, the tandem of big govt and big capital is terrible. Both must be kept in check and only a decentralized govt with vigilant (white) citizens can do so. Your big govt will spin out of control eventually (quickly?) and then the massive govt apparatus will be co-opted and redirected to you as the target. Let’s start with a small decentralized one and keep it that way. Much easier to control that one than the one you propose.
If it is so easy to control, why is there no control over it at all? Corruption is necessarily native to parliamentary democracy. Even if a decentralized government were to be achieved, the economy would still be centralized, unless every decentralized unit put up tariffs, which would force everything to be produced locally. The state must absolutely be capable of dealing with the economy as a whole.
AH was a great man who understood the problem in front of him and took the necessary measures. But that was another time and place and can’t be copied here, nor should it.
We know that what Hitler did worked, we know that what the founding fathers did failed. It seems we should go with the model that worked.
1. Race first
Race first? Have you ever even read any of the literature of these Jews that you are pushing here?
As far as decentralization and smallness – we’ve already been through that.
“Larix” then posted a follow-up:
I could have been more clear regarding “capitalism”.
Communism and capitalism are opposite sides of a Jewish pincer movement. They are played off against each other (just like the right-left spectrum) to divide people and simultaneously advance Jewish interests via the back-and-forth Hegelian dialectic.
Austro-libertarians do NOT favor this version of capitalism(or whatever label it is given), and recognize there is a 3rd way, the traditional American way, of honest, mutually beneficial exchange (i.e. commerce).
Yes, leave it to a bunch of blood-sucking Jews to come up with a traditional system of honesty and mutual benefit. They are experts at this, aren’t they?
Truly, we must look to a bunch of multi-millionaire Jew economists, rather than gentile revolutionaries, if we genuinely desire to find a way to free ourselves of the yolk of Jewish domination over our society.
Though you would probably classify Ayn Rand with Friedman, rather than you hero Rothbard, based on the superficial differences, you would (I would hope) have to admit that the core doctrine is the same. You should go read Atlas Shrugged if you want to get an idea about the honest and benevolent motives of Libertarian Jews. Seriously. It’s a somewhat entertaining way (she was indeed a good writer) to get to an understanding of the core ethical structure of this Jew cult.
Race is indeed a blind spot for libertarians and this is where you have a point because it can be the Achilles heel. Most sensible libertarians (should) eventually realize these ideas only appeal to a very small subset of people, even a subset of Europeans (northwestern). So it makes no sense to expect the world to adopt these views and open our precious nation to them. Let them figure out the best social and economic solutions for their homelands.
Race is not a “blind spot” for Libertarians, the denial of both race and nation are fundamental concepts of the core doctrine itself.
This is rooted in their belief in individualism. If we are all individuals, race and nation are absolutely irrelevant. There is no way around this; you would just have to use Jewish word games to distort it. The concept of race is simply incompatible with an individualist worldview, as a belief in the importance of race, and the preservation of race, implicitly implies a belief in the value of the collective.
The core concept of Libertarianism is that individuals, seeking their individual interests, will somehow cause order to emerge from chaos. There is no room for even nation in such a paradigm, let alone race.
If you get rid of the social doctrine of individualism, the economic concepts associated with Jewish Libertarianism become utterly pointless, as the collective benefit becomes the goal, and thus organizing economic structures which allow a maximization of cooperation become ideal, and so you arrive at a planned economy, such as that of Mussolini’s Italy, Hitler’s Germany and modern China, as it is just so much more productive and socially beneficial.
Americans who want a judenfrei ethnostate following traditional American principles of limited govt (i.e. ordered freedom and personal responsibility) should be able to separate from other white Americans who want modern-day big govt socialism, like you.
Yes, my big government socialism will surely make sure victims of Jewish brainwashing such as yourself are separated, one way or another.
So please don’t fall for this caricature of Austro-libertarians liking open borders, monster corporations, unlimited social decadence. It’s not accurate. Please remember that there was plenty of social cohesion and community spirit in a 90% white America when our founding principles were still strong, until sometime in the last 50-100 years when it was hijacked by YKW.
The fanatical support of open-borders is not part of some caricature of your Jew heroes in the Austrian school, it is a decided core policy, and always has been; Rothbard only edited his position in the 90s, saying that the reason we couldn’t allow Mexicans to flood the whole entire country was because the government was giving them welfare benefits. Friedman held the same position – as soon as we dissolve all of these social safety nets, we will let the third world hordes pour in.
How can you possibly be promoting this doctrine without understanding its core principles? Do you not feel shame?
There cannot be the slightest doubt that migration barriers diminish the productivity of human labor.
–Ludwig von Mises, Liberalism, page 139
The closed-door policy is one of the root causes of our wars.
–Ludwig von Mises, Omnipotent Government, page 263
The extraordinarily high rate of immigration, legal and illegal, into the United States is an indication that our country is doing something right. The United States, while far from boasting a pure free market, clearly offers enough economic liberty to attract the migration of peoples from all over the world. Currently, half the world’s immigrants come to the United States.
Libertarians have generally welcomed immigration, and on very simple grounds. According to the “non-aggression axiom,” it is wrong to aggress against the person or property of anyone who has not himself committed such aggression. To restrict the free movement of peoples across borders is thus to engage in unjustified aggression, and is therefore anathema.
–Tom Woods, Liberty and Immigration
We call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally.
–Official Libertarian Political Platform, 2004 election cycle
You appear to have not researched this topic beyond YouTube.
As far as “monster corporations,” I don’t know if Libertarians openly promote that, but as we have seen, an unrestricted capitalist system can only lead there, and it is only this purposefully confusing “theoretical” Jew gibberish you are pushing that leads people to believe otherwise.
Obviously unlimited social decadence is encouraged by simply making it legal. The outbreak of pornography, abortion, homosexuality and all other forms of degeneracy over the last few years was, more than anything else, the result of these things having been legalized.
Societies without rules simply do not work. It is childish and idiotic.
In response to Larix’ comment above, another commenter mentioned the fact that Libertarianism is fundamentally opposed to ethnic nationalism, and Larix put together another goofy response.
Alas, it is true that most libertarians are not seeing the race issue, due to the egalitarian brainwashing inflicted on all people these days.
This is simply false. The doctrine doesn’t “not see the race issue,” it flat-out denies it as a relevant factor in society, as in a world of “individuals” race cannot exist. I’ve already been through all of this above.
In fact, I progressed past this “naive libertarian” phase when the issue of 3rd world immigration to the US and Europe could no longer be ignored these last few years. After much time involved in WN reading, I’m totally for a strong, healthy, clean white ethnostate. But I can’t get past my feeling that the values of the traditional American republic gave people the freedom and INCENTIVE to build this nation into something great (including a strong and healthy white culture into the 1960s) and it is the best economic and political arrangement for a revitalized USA. American families and communities were very strong up until about 50 years ago, so it’s not reasonable to blame traditional American values for the problems we have today.
It is not reasonable to blame “traditional American values,” but it is absolutely essential to blame the American political and economic system, which was incapable of adapting to a changed world and so was taken over by predatory Jews and their destructive ideologies. American families and communities remained strong up until the 1960s, because until then, most of this “freedom” promoted by Jew Libertarians was still illegal – divorce was almost impossible, so people made it work. The problem was that the system allowed, due to the Liberal policies of the founders, for the entire form of the nation to be reshaped.
Anyway, State socialism just doesn’t work over an appreciable period of time. It burns wealth rather than creating it, egalitizes and demotivates people, and replaces the essential family structure with the almighty state. Not to mention it appears to dramatically lower the birthrate as people no longer view having a family as a retirement plan when the state pension will suffice. Doesn’t seem healthy or wise to me.
The Fascist states of the last century, those that the Jews had not a single ounce of input in the creation of, and were solely responsible for the destruction of, did not in any way burn wealth rather than creating it, nor did they demotivate the people. That is abject nonsense – simply a lie. The essential family structure, which was collapsing across Europe, due to the Liberal influence of the Jews, was not replaced by the authoritarian state, but resurrected by it. These are plain facts, which cannot be debated.
Claiming that the birthrate was lowered in Hitler’s Germany – if that is what you are actually claiming – would also be nothing other than an outright falsehood. In 1900 the birthrate in Germany was 3.3 per 1000, and by 1939, that number had risen to 20.4 per 1000.
I’m confident that a judenfrei industrialized society with tight race-based immigration and a limited, republican form of government (where the best white men preserve and protect it) can be sustainable and prosperous.
These “best white men” will be chosen through the system of parliamentary democracy, no doubt. That seems to be working well.
Where does this idea of an ethnic state, which is also somehow based on the Jew doctrine of individualist Libertarianism, originate? Is there a book someone has written, explaining how this ideology, which is fundamentally against all forms of nationalism, can be reconciled with racial nationalist ideals? I’m going to go out on a limb here and suggest that no, there is no such book. You have just invented this all in your own mind, as you have tried to deal with the obvious problems of race within the framework of your Jewish brainwashing into the nonsense doctrine of liberal capitalism. None of it makes sense. The American capitalist liberal system has failed us entirely, and it must be abolished completely. There is simply no other option.
Though “Larix” will surely respond in the comments section, I probably won’t be replying to him in any detail. He has made himself clear, and this exchange is now over, though as with every other person who has had their consciousness infected with one or other Jewish mind-virus, he will just keep looping around to come up with new ways to distort and confuse the discussion with more vague terminology and allusions to undefined concepts, and I have no time for such nonsense. However, if some other Libertarian/Anarcho-Capitalist wishes to make some new argument in support of their Jew cult doctrine, I will likely go ahead and take the time to address it, as it is important to bury this stuff completely, on the record, so we can all put it behind us and move forward, collectively, with our authoritarian socialist agenda.